Video of the Day: Triumphant Quartet

Here is a video of Triumphant Quartet performing a song, “Saved By Grace,” off of their upcoming recording.

This CD/DVD set will be their first recording with The Mansion Entertainment (after spending their first seven years together with Daywind). The song itself was introduced by a mixed group in the early 1990s or so. Though the original rendition is also available on YouTube, I’m not liking linking to it here due to that group’s espousal of the unorthodox Oneness doctrine.

Thoughts on this rendition: In the decade or so he’s been on the road, Scotty Inman has grown from a decent baritone to one of the best lead singers in Southern Gospel. Though he still is listed as Triumphant’s baritone, out of respect to the decades his father has spent as a lead singer in a number of different groups, few lead singers in our genre could carry a lead as well as he does on this song.

Why is he as good as he is? It’s not only that he has some good genesโ€”as he said an interview I did with him a few years back, he regularly takes voice lessons to hone and perfect his ability, taking a cue from Glen Payne, who continued with voice lessons until the year he died.

Bonus video of the day: Am I the only one who generally watches the behind the scenes on a DVD first? There’s just something about those unscripted moments! At any rate, here is a video from Courtney Collingsworth showing the reaction at the Collingsworth house when father Phil places the winning bid for a car on eBay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_wXAo4i1_w.


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  1. What was the name of the other group, at least?

    • Kyle, I found it. I even searched the group witb “oneness” and found they do. Let’s just call the original a Mcvideo. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  2. I don’t see a link to the video. Am I missing it?

    • For some reason, it didn’t display properly the first time. Could you try again?

      • I see the video of Phil winning the car (funny video) but it does look like you forgot to link to the Triumphant vid.

      • I was able to find it on youtube, posted by Diana right? Great song and Triumphant is hard to beat. Thanks.

      • Found it on Youtube too. LOL! Now I’m wondering who’s shorter, David Sutton or Wes Hampton! Fun song. ๐Ÿ˜€

      • David’s shorter, I believe.

        I had it up at two points, but I was experimenting with a new YouTube beta technology, iFrame embeds. I just gave up, and I’m back to the standard now.

  3. “liking to it” – I’m going to convert to a Freudian after all. :shaking head:

    • Oh, dear, and thanks for the catch!

  4. the McGruders did the original. good group, but their best asset was their band. arguably the best band in SG during their time. (also during New River/Band of Gold/Kingsmen Band). the McGruder’s band had the BEST punches and overall togetherness. very clean sound and “wowed” audiences night after night!

  5. Kyle, The McGruders had the “hit” on this

  6. I remember the McGruders doing that song too.

  7. I can honestly say that I feel Scotty Inman has one of the best tones in his voice in SGM today. You can tell he put in the effort and he produces a great sound. Loved the Triumphant video.

    And Daniel, I ALWAYS watch the bonus features first! Haha! Love it! Great candid video of the Collingsworths!

  8. And here I was trying to be more subtle about it. ๐Ÿ˜›

  9. I respect your decision, but linking to a song/video that was a Southern Gospel hit in the late ’80s doesn’t mean you endorse the doctrine the group believes.

    It’s all about the song!

    • Especially in our genre, with the level of personal connection (and sometimes illusion of personal connection) that singers and committed fans share, it’s at least a little bit about the singer.

      There’s nothing wrong with the doctrine in the song itself, which is why I didn’t hesitate to link to Triumphant’s version. I’m still thinking I made the right call on not linking to the original, though.

      • If that was the case, it may have been best to just not bring it up at all.

        It may have been better to make a quick mention that Triumphant was covering a song originally made popular by the McGruders. Just a thought.

      • Now I can agree with you there. That might have been better.

  10. That’s the thing! In the “world of Southern Gospel Music”, there must be every denomination and every doctrine that is practiced by groups or group members. We can’t stop listening to the songs for everybody who belongs to one that we don’t agree with.
    Hovie Lister and many others , was a Mason. But i still listen to the Statesmen.

    • Yes, I have heard that, though I haven’t heard (or at least don’t recall) whether he was a casual, lower-level Mason or a 32nd or 33rd degree higher-ranking Mason.

      • (EDIT: 8/5/2011: Broken link removed)

        Your comments got me to thinking about this, and it appears Hovie was a 32 degree mason.

        Interesting.

  11. I can see why posting examples of a group’s music can be construed as tacit endorsement for their theology. So good for you for taking a stand as you see fit on your website.

    Sure you could have just left it alone and not said anything, but I for one think better of you and the site when I read something like that. You have never disappointed here in your commitment to soundness of doctrine.

    I would only quibble with one thing: what you call “unorthodox”, I would have just called “wrong”.

    • Glad I’m not alone! (I was beginning to think that maybe I was.)

      Actually, truth be told, I have mentioned the group once or twice before on the site, but I was convicted about that recently. If I point someone to a group, it’s entirely possible that they become a fan . . . and if they become a fan, it’s entirely possible that they check out the group farther and come into contact with their theology.

      If I was responsible for just one person falling into heresy – that’s one person too many.

      • Amen, brother! Absolutely agree. The fact that you think about conviction from the Holy Spirit when making posts here is one of several examples of how Christ-honoring this site is. The Lord has blessed you and this blog for it, you can be sure.

      • Thank you. Initially this site was just a fun project, and I was curious if anyone would show up. As it’s grown, I’ve started to realize the responsibility that comes with the platform.

  12. Daniel, you know I respect what you are doing with this blog and the work you do in Southern Gospel music, but I think it is a wrong call when you start calling artists out on their doctrinal beliefs. Even if you didn’t mention the group, anyone that was around during that time period knows whom you are speaking.

    It is a slippery slope IMO. It is your blog, so you have every right to say what you want. And as a reader I have every right to no longer visit the site if that is the route you plan on taking.

    • I personally have not examined the details of the McGruders’ theology. I do know of a CCM group where similar questions have been raised, and in my judgment, they’re not guilty of serious heresy. This situation could be different for all I know. But I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Daniel’s mentioning it, since it could potentially be a serious problem… and something that would bother other people besides just Daniel. I see no reason why he shouldn’t give his readers that information. It’s possible that if they look into it, they will ultimately reach a different conclusion, but at any rate, it’s good to be informed.

      Steve, of course you are free not to visit this site anymore, but in my opinion you would not be making the wisest choice in so doing. Not only is this the most widely read blog in SG, it is also, in my judgment, the best. Daniel has run this site with integrity and commitment to excellence for six years and will, I am sure, continue to do so for years to come. You simply can’t find a better source for SG news and commentary. As a new blogger yourself, you would, in my opinion, reap huge benefits from continuing to follow this blog. But that’s just my .02 and you’re free to disagree.

    • Steve,

      I respect your position, and make any decision you feel you need to make. However, I will say this: I have ignored other, lesser doctrinal differences on many an occasion, and continue to promote those artists.

      I would only go as far as I went – which wasn’t too far – with a group taking an unorthodox position on one of the absolutely core doctrines of our faith, such as (in this case) the divinity of Christ. For other doctrines, on which matters of salvation do not depend, I do not and will not make an issue of them.

      (NSF – it’s actually four years I’ve been doing this site, and six that I’ve been following SG. Thanks for the kind words!)

      Daniel

      • Ah, sorry, you’re right. I had six years in my mind since that’s when you began following SG.

        At any rate, it’s clear that you’ve accomplished much more in four years than (ahem) other blogs have accomplished in six!

      • Well, thank you for the kind words, but I’d better not touch that one with a six-mile pole!

      • ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜†

      • Daniel,

        I like the fact that you care about sound doctrine enough to take such a stand. Way to go!

        Ironically, I almost brought up a very similar issue about Candy Christmas last week. Her dad’s teachings are as bad as the Oneness doctrine or even the Jesus Only movement. In fact, I wrote a long post and then decided not to post it. My question then was does doctrine matter in Southern Gospel Music…

      • Well, her father moved towards those teachings after the group’s peak in SG – in fact, I think it may have been after they came off the road.

        Since she was an adult at that time, I’m not automatically assuming that she took the same path. It’s possible, but also possible she stuck to orthodox doctrine.

      • I understood that. It is probably why I didn’t post anything about it then. However, did you know that they come from a Jesus Only background? Hemphill’s father taught it. Check it out.

  13. First, I think that as the owner of this blog you can do whatever you want. You know that and don’t have to have anyone tell you either. Thank you for your sacrifice to keep this blog entertaining and educational.

    I think SG blogs are a lot like the music itself. They are subjective and not everything fits everybody. They are meant to provide a source of information and can be a source of entertainment.

    I would like to think that all SGM artist believe exactly the way I do concerning the core doctrines of the Bible, but I know better than that. I appreciate the music for how it blesses me and how it is a source of clean Christian entertainment for my children. I certainly don’t look to SGM to be a tool to teach me the doctrines of the Bible. That’s what my Bible and church are supposed to do.

    Daniel, thank you for taking a stand for doctrinal purity.

    • Thank you, and you’re welcome!

  14. I for one thank you Daniel for your stance. It is your blog and you can put whatever you want on it. However, I respect the fact that you look at the doctrine behind the songs or the artists for that matter. I have had an interesting experience in my own life because I married a Church of Christ preacher’s daughter. They do not believe that you should use music to worship and of course I am Baptist so our group naturally sings with music. However, an interesting side note, in a Church of Christ hymn book, the song “Mansion Over the Hilltop” chorus is different than in any other song book that has the song. The last of the chorus in every other song book says, “I’ll have a mansion, an harp, and a crown” but in their song book it says, “I’ll have a mansion, a ROBE, and a crown.” It apparently was changed to fit their doctrine. I guess I got off on a tangent there but any way, good for you Daniel for doing what you do. Steve, you would not be wise to never visit this site again. Daniel is very respected in the industry and has always been fair.

    • JC – tangent or not, that’s fascinating. I’m almost positive I’ve heard someone sing it robe, perhaps not realizing it was a change.

      • You can imagine my embarassment Daniel, singing the song from memory at the Church of Christ before my wife and I were married and singing the wrong words and having people look at me funny. LOL! I asked my wife why they changed the words and she said that they did not. It had always been like that. I then showed her our hymn books “Best Loved Songs & Hymns” and “New Songs of Inspiration” and they both had “harp.” LOL!

      • I can imagine, ’cause I’ve been in the same boat before. A church I attended for several years had an incorrect overhead lyric for “How Great Thou Art”

        “When Christ shall come, with shouts of glory” (instead of acclamation). ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

        I sang acclamation all the time there, without even thinking of it, and got all kinds of funny looks. Now I constantly catch myself on the spur of singing “glory.” ๐Ÿ˜›

      • My wife and I will be married 4 years in November and my in-laws have still never come to one of our concerts!!!! However, their doctrine is different than ours so that plays a big part in the reason they do not come. Doctrine in songs are so important to me. If you sing it, then I personally think you should believe what you sing. My opinion only.

      • J.C-

        It’s interesting that you are married to someone who comes from a Church of Christ background. Since Churches of Christ are individually autonomous in their structure, leadership and somewhat in their core beliefs from church to church, it’s easy to get a wide range of views within them on some of the “core” issues.

        I have grown up in and currently attend a Church of Christ church here in Texas. Our church is open enough to allow us to host my Southern Gospel Quartet(yes, we’re instrumental. hah!), as well as Gold City and the Mark Trammell Quartet. They will be in our church this Saturday night. So, although your in-laws have not come to one of your concerts yet, don’t give up. Hang in there with them. Who knows, maybe they will come around one of these days.

        And yes….our hymnal people/editors did somewhere along the way change the word from harp to robe in “Mansion over the Hilltop”. It’s just one of those things! Won’t it be funny in heaven if angels are playing “harps” and we, the saved by grace, are wearing “robes” of white??? Who knows, there may even be few Baptists there too!!! Ha!

  15. I don’t really know exactly what “Oneness” is, so I cannot validly enter the conversation.

    On a lighter note, I think they should have given Jeff a mic ๐Ÿ˜‰ .

    • That’s so funny. I was thinking the same thing. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him sing. He sure looked like he was “into” the song though, didn’t he.

  16. I’ve heard Jeff sing back in his Perfect Heart days. They did a comedy bit where Gary Shepherd was on bass, Mike Presnell was on lead, the lead singer sang baritone (I think) and Jeff was on tenor. The baritine (Joseph Smith?) played piano and got a laugh by asking where the clutch was.

    Stice actually sounded good.

  17. Almost forgot, Triumphant knocks this out of the ballpark and into the river.

  18. BTW, I have always loved “Saved By Grace”. The McGruders did a great job on it and Triumphant’s version is great as well. It is great to hear a quartet version of this song.

    • It is great to hear a quartet version of the song.

      By the way, Brad, if you would like, I am open to having a discussion on the divinity of Christ (and of the Father and of the Holy Spirit) – this site just isn’t the venue.

  19. As far as the song goes, I think the message is great and it was performed with the excellence that people have come to expect from Triumphant…. but I, personally, don’t care for songs that are this repetitive. That may just be me though. It wouldn’t keep me from listening to(or even loving) the song, but I do tire of those, what do they call them… 3/8 songs? 3 words repeated 8 times? lol.

    • 7/11 songs is the term frequently used for today’s popular worship numbers—seven words repeated eleven times. ๐Ÿ™‚

  20. Well, my browser is horribly out-of-date, so it won’t show the “reply” icon >:( . Anywho @ New Sogo Fan, I figured I was using the wrong numbers ๐Ÿ˜‰ Thanks for clearing that up for me! I hate using incorrect terminology. Needless to say, it happens OFTEN! lol.
    This song is REALLY stuck in my head! ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€

  21. You mentioned Scotty being listed as baritone out of respect to his father’s legacy. If Clayton were to officially step down from lead to baritone, it wouldn’t be the first time. He did it when Scott Whitener joined the Singing Americans.